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While I recognize the notion that Americans in general are much more privileged than people in a lot of other countries around the world, this assumption that America is still the land of opportunity where an upper five figure/lower six figure income is commonplace is totally outdated in this day and age. Most people from the ages of 20-40 are living check to check, plain and simple. Some are doing it better or worse than others, depending on who you ask obviously. But very few people in that age range are doing anything of real significance in their professional lives, even among those who do have the education, certifications, background, or any combination of those three. For every one person doing well, there are 10 more who are barely scraping by on the best thing they could find. The opportunities just aren't out there right now, and haven't been for nearly 10 years since the economy tanked. I'm not lamenting, or making excuses. Again, it is not lost on me that even a shitty time in America is still a lot better than the best of times in other places. But while that may be the case, it isn't like every American in this age range is just living cool with a good job and no worries in the world either. And don't let social media fool you into thinking that. The reality is, we're all just getting by like everyone else.

Also, on a different but related note, the details of which have already been discussed at length on these boards, the reality is that entry into the US military and/or any law enforcement agency in this country is incredibly hard nowadays. The military is a lot more lenient than law enforcement, but there's still a lot of capable smart guys out there who are currently barred from enlisting for seemingly one innocuous reason or another. With law enforcement, If you have even the slightest blemish in your background, it doesn't even have to be on your record, just something they could find in your background, you don't stand a chance. So if these career fields interest you, then you are going to look at every option.

Which brings me to the French Foreign Legion. Taking into consideration that life isn't as peachy as people seem to think it is here in the US, and when you highlight the fact that a career in the military and/or law enforcement is currently closed off to to a lot of otherwise capable and intelligent guys, then the French Foreign Legion absolutely becomes an option. And an option that shouldn't be all that difficult to adjust to when you are there. Now, is there going to be an adjustment period for any guy coming into the Legion from a first world country, absolutely. But I think the average American guy who has actually thought this through can adapt his thinking and adjust himself to whatever the Legion brings him. I'm not in any way trying to underestimate the Legion here, but I don't think the jump from life here in the states is as far of a jump as some of you think it would be. Especially for a guy who is particularly interested in a career in the military and/or law enforcement, but is for whatever reason barred from doing so in the states. Or maybe not even barred, just simply not hired. Some guys try for years to get hired into law enforcement with no success.

Like I said, the FFL is an option. But in doing that, I think a guy who comes to the Legion for these reasons can still totally immerse himself in the Legion and contribute to being a part of it. Sure, his motivations might be more selfish and career driven. But that doesn't mean he can't be just as dedicated of a soldier as somebody who came to the Legion needing it more.

Personally, as somebody who is already north of 30, if I were to ever make it into the Legion, I think my age would be a great benefit to me in being able to look back on my experiences over the last 10 years and realize that they in fact haven't actually been all that great, and that there really isn't anything so pressing or worth coming back to that I can't hold off on until I'm done with the Legion. And it is largely because of the fact that by this point in my life I have run the gamut in terms of occupations and industries I've worked in, and there is literally nothing out there that is so great, that is so worth it to me, that I need to be here over my commitments with the Legion.

I think guys who desert, do it because of family. Not because things are so good here that they can't stand being in the Legion and just want to come back.

I also agree with what somebody else said in an earlier post, and I too believe that most Americans who get rejected or desert really highlight the fact that they were discriminated against for being an American as a way to buffer their own failings. That's the impression I've gotten from a lot of the writings we've seen here recently from guys who have gone and failed. Is that they didn't really want to make it, but rather wanted to be able to say that they did. And using the American/First World excuse is one easy to way to do that.

Now, mind you, I have yet to go try out myself. Reason being is that It is still up in the air whether the US Army will accept me or not. Another issue came up that needs resolving that I can't bypass, nothing too serious, but I do have to wait a little bit longer than I thought. Seriously not making this up. It's been one thing after another. It is what it is. But the sliver of a chance is still there, and I'm willing to wait out the decision for something that could potentially steer me in a direction I could see myself going in for the next 20 years.

However, if the US Army ultimately does not work out for me, and I do decide to try out for the Legion in the foreseeable future, then I have no doubt I could adapt to it if I make it in and would stick it out.

I'm just saying, maybe I'm just defending myself here amidst all this American's can't cut it talk, that it's totally doable. We're all human here. And like anything in life, the good things are never as good as they seemed before hand, and the bad times are never as bad they seemed prior to them happening either. I don't see why the Legion would be any different.
 
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You think that and am sure that you believe it. That must be true. The big difference between SWAT teams, over equipped and the foreign Legion is we travel light.
No burdens and if you can t hack it. ..sod off to where you came from
No skin off ours noses
Embassy's and Conuslats, depending where you come from
Might or might not help on your retour (fact)
During basic, very few hi tech gear
Sweat and tears or blood and guts, if you prefer
Only back up is the encadrement (instructions. .from Russia, Maladive or Bangladesh. ..who cares?
Absorb and try to retain what you want
Most of all, be humble
We have heard it all before
We have done it all before
Modestity is a quality

Post Shitum :
All good things, as you say
Are from a perspective view
Tell me how much your parents earn and i will to you who you are
Of course, the Legion cannot except, just the down and out
Neither the over diplomed aristocracy or sons of fathers
A bit of this
And a bit of that
Belives this or belives that
Keep them guessing, is what i say
 
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I'm going to quote www.legion-recrute.com in french, since it is the more accurate than the other.

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L'avancement se fait selon le mérite. Tout légionnaire peut faire carrière, non par les diplômes scolaires ou professionnels acquis dans le civil, mais grâce aux examens militaires ou techniques réussis au cours des contrats successifs.

  • Tous les sous-officiers de la Légion commencent leur carrière comme simple légionnaire.
  • Taux d'encadrement actuel : 1 S/OFF pour 4 légionnaires.
  • Sur 4 légionnaires qui s'engagent aujourd'hui, l'un d'entre eux deviendra sous-officier."
That should answer your question.

I hope is Ok that i speak in spanish to Danius98.

Danius98 vi tu post en el cual contaste tu experiencia militar en Colombia y como no pudiste ingresar porque tuviste problemas con el estrés y te pusieron en una institución mental.

La realidad es que la vida militar en cualquier País, sea Colombia, Francia, USA, Sud Africa,etc es que es una vida donde vas a estar en muchas situaciones donde vas a tener que saber manejar tu estrés. No necesariamente porque vaya a una zona de combate, si no por las labores diarias que puedas tener. Superiores que te van exigir más y más, pocas horas de sueños, turnos de guardias que pueden ser desgastantes.

La vida Militar en si requiere cierto sacrificio y tener la capacidad mental para poder soportar el mismo.

Si ya sabes que tienes problemas para manejar el estrés me replantearía, si vale la pena seguir una carrea militar o policial. Desgraciadamente mucha gente esto no lo hizo y termina en Suicidios.
Tal vez no conté todo el rollo. El punto es que había hecho el servicio y la parte militar en la Escuela sin problema (centinelas, ejercicios, instrucciones y hasta desplegado en el plebiscito en Colombia). Vengo de una familia de clase media humilde y tuve que pagar la entrada a la Escuela con préstamos del gobierno, que en realidad demoraban tiempo y tuve que pedir prestada a una tía para pagar el equipo y matrícula inicial. Cómo la Escuela Militar también es un centro universitario, había tenido el estresante de que como no pude superar una prueba tenía que pagar mucho dinero por una materia que en ese entonces mi madre estaba muy apretada y los préstamos demoraban. Sin hacerme muchos exámenes (que sólo se basaron en lo que vieron, que fue un Jueves en la Mañana y en la tarde unos Alféreces haciéndome PT con otros 2 compañeros) y un gordo psiquiatria administrativo de merde deciéndome que "le dio la gana" al internarme en un psiquiátrico. Mi madre y yo fuimos con especialistas después de la primer Junta Médica y todos ellos determinaron que magnificaron el hecho de algo pequeño (como llorar o angustia) a algo grande (practicamente diciendo que era un psicótico o que podría matar a alguien porque me enojaba con cualquier cosa; para ejemplificar), sin hacer las pruebas correspondientes.

Otro punto que añado es que con el rollo prácticamente se robaron la mayoría de mi equipo al dejarlo en otro alojamiento por la promesa de que me iba a hacer los ejercicios días después.

No sé si lo he dejado más claro, o si sigo siendo un perdedor que no controla el estrés. Lo que me llamó la atención es que un curso lo devolvieron del ejercicio de Campaña porque se desmayó en plena marcha (y ya se había desmayado en plena prueba física anteriormente) e iba a correr la misma suerte mia de no ser porque su padre era amigo muy cercano de un Coronel.

En fin, mi suerte ya se echó.

PD: Vi un post tuyo en donde comentabas una situación que sufriste en la Academia muy parecida a la que sufrió el Recluta regordete en la Chaqueta Metálica. ¿Aún existen los castigos corporales en Argentina? Aquí por lo menos cualquier rango iría preso por golpear a un Soldado, Recluta, Cadete, etc.

By the way, I really understand the English well.
 
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No good agonizing about it lad! Right now the Legion is simply not going to waste the time or money on an American/ Anglo. A. They have a tendency not to complete their contract. B. They cause trouble! C. They whine about how much better it was elsewhere!
On the other side of the coin if the French have a real war the doors will be wide open! Until then your chances are slim. However if your French is reasonable and you pass all the tests, who knows? Be the grey man obey all orders and stay away from the talkers and know all’s! Above all, don’t get mixed in with any clique. Your every move is watched. Screw up and they will show you the door real fast! Good luck.
No good agonizing about it lad! right now the legion is simply not going to waste the time or money on an American/ Anglo. A. They have a tendency not to complete their contract. B. They cause trouble! C. They whine about how much better it was elsewhere! On the other side of the coin if The French have a real war the doors will be wide open! Until then your chances are slim. However if your French is reasonable and you pass all the tests who knows! Be the grey man obay all orders and stay away from the talkers and know all’s! above all don’t get mixed in with any clique. Your every move is watched. Screw up and they will show you the door real fast! Good luck.
I know more you young American in now that ever served during the 60-90s. And one that hit the door with you in 78. I will admit the whole take on most military service in the US has changed massively over the last 2-3 decades, not to the better... With some exceptions.
 
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I have known at least a half a dozen who hit the door with Mark, and? Luck or fate. ..what ever, it is their fame to name. Do you think that legionnaires were better or worse treated after Kolwezi ?
Being curious is an art and keeping your gub shut, is a discipline. Whatever the regiment you are assigned to, shut the fuque up. You know nothing (had to be said). Listen up.
 

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I think guys who desert, do it because of family. Not because things are so good here that they can't stand being in the Legion and just want to come back.
I Agree with rest of your post, but not with this one. I mean, man rest of the world also have families any many are attached to them. Not only Amers.
 
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I Agree with rest of your post, but not with this one. I mean, man rest of the world also have families any many are attached to them. Not only Amers.
I've heard the case of a Bolivian guy that lied of his paternity and he said during the ‘Gestapo’ and motivation interviews that he had no children. They believed him and they only realized that he lied one year later and due that he desert because he was feared about ‘Gestapo’ would do him by lying. They realized he had a children when he moved his son to Spain, and during the selection his son was in Bolivia. So it's a lie that the ‘Gestapo’ knows everything about you if not a European candidate.
 

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(...) So it's a lie that the ‘Gestapo’ knows everything about you if not a European candidate.
The ‘gestapo’ only knows what you tell them or if you are wanted by Interpol. If you have a child and the ‘gestapo’ finds out (I can't see how) then you only have yourself to blame. You are under a false name. No-one knows that you have joined the Legion... unless you tell them.
I think our Bolivian friend was telling pork pies. Even if the ‘gestapo’ finds out, then what? Let's say that the worse they can do is kick you out. What good is that going to do?
 
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(...) Being curious is an art and keeping your gub shut, is a discipline. Whatever the regiment you are assigned to, shut the fuque up.
You know nothing (had to be said). Listen up. I know plenty, junior spare your smart-ass comments for the kids and wannabees.

I have known at least a half a dozen who hit the door with Mark, and? Luck or fate. ..what ever, it is their fame to name. Do you think that legionnaires were better or worse treated after Kolwezi ?
I was referencing a mutual friend that passed away, .
 
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The 'gestapo' only knows what you tell them or if you are wanted by interpol.
If you have a child and the 'gestapo' find out ? (I can't see how) then you only have yourself to blame. You are under a false name. No-one knows that you have joined the legion... unless you tell them.
I think our Bolivian friend was telling pork pies. Even if the 'gestapo' find out, then what? Let's say that the worse they can do is kick you out. What good is that going to do?
Well supposing that Gestapo investigates a lot of you after you get in you make sure you don't lie or you're not a threat that in the selection they couldn't know, and is very "nice" with legionaire that lie so I guess that guy had reasons.
 
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No business of mine but are some of you on gear? Don’t think I could come up with such crazy thoughts of the resources the Legion would need to operate a search and snatch teams around the world are you mad? Why would you if you run off that means you can’t hack it so why come look for you and beat you to shit google the CIA repatriation programme and cost and law suits some of you give me the biggest belly laughs thanks 👍
 

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Well supposing that Gestapo investigates a lot of you after you get in you make sure you don't lie or you're not a threat that in the selection they couldn't know, and is very "nice" with legionaire that lie so I guess that guy had reasons.
Don't make big fuzz about it. If you get in and serve with honor and fidelity. Nobody will care much about it. Unless there is some serious shit you did in past.

One had(have) a child and didn't report to gestapo! I'm sure I can easily find 10 legionnaires who did same thing and the still serve.

So yeah ... Is not about whether or not you have a family. It's about are you are willing to put Legion in front of your family.

That's really hard task and I'm not really sure if legion operates in that manner (I really hope so), but that's my 2 cents.
 
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Don't make big fuzz about it. If you get in and serve with honor and fidelity. Nobody will care much about it. Unless there is some serious shit you did in past.

One had(have) a child and didn't report to gestapo! I'm sure I can easily find 10 legionnaires who did same thing and the still serve.

So yeah ... Is not about whether or not you have a family. It's about are you are willing to put Legion in front of your family.

That's really hard task and I'm not really sure if legion operates in that manner (I really hope so), but that's my 2 cents.
I'd rather be a long far away from my family but helping them with a good salary rather than being close to them but being unhappy on a shitty bad paid job
 

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