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Re: MRE Trash: Y'all are right; whether deployed, in the field, or in garrison, we basically never held on to MRE waste for more than a few hours.


Worst case scenario--- which is to say, light units in the field without vehicle support: the brown plastic outer bag would be stuffed with all the individual cardboard cartons/plastic pouches, then the whole shebang got tied up in a trash bag (to prevent leakage) and stuffed into your ruck (sac à dos).
At some point, you'd settle into an TAA or NDP (Tactical Assembly Area; Night Defensive Position) and the trash would be buried.

If the tactical situation allowed, burn pits would be dug and the trash would be, well, burned. This was only ever done on deployments, however.

When we had vehicle support, generally the company's trash would be brought to a collection point (generally run by the Battalion.) I'm not sure what happened to it from there; I assume that it was sent somewhere for disposal by the support/logistics Bubbas at Battalion.

And of course, during the initial invasion of Iraq in 2003, a lot of MRE trash and piss bottles were simply thrown out of vehicles onto the side of the road by certain units advancing on Baghdad. (3rd Infantry Division, I'm looking at you in particular). Those boys went through the Iraqi Army like lighting, and as such often outran their own supplies. Which meant, of course, that trash wasn't being ferried to the rear by the logistics guys.
 

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the trash would be buried.
When I did my All Arms Commando Course, throwing any litter away was a big no no, including cigarette butts. What you throw away can tell a lot about you to the enemy. For example if you are throwing away any food (example hard tack biscuits), it shows that you have a resupply and are not that hungry. Above all it shows the enemy which country was there. I cannot see the French or the Brits in the near future having pepperoni pizza slices in their rat packs;).
I believe that the special forces even carry their own excrement (sh$t) with them.
were simply thrown out of vehicles
I suppose that that would be of great benefit to the local population. It would be a bit like in Africa where they will put everything you throw away to use. To the point where I was set to driving the camion poubelle - rubbish truck, in Chad for two weeks. I had an escort of commando marines (French) with me. When I had finished my rounds inside the camp, my orders were to race out of the camp at full speed and not to stop. o_O WTF, the first time I did it, the two Chadians which were there to load up the truck, GBC8 KT, advised my to roll up my window and lock my door.
I don't know how many of you had had the pleasure of driving a GBC8, but in order to get some speed up, you had better know your gears. The commandos were waiting at the main gate with long batons. On there signal, after having stopped the traffic on both sides, off I went.
Next thing you know there was a horde, and I have chosen that word carefully, a horde of black urchins running at the side of the truck. I think that if it was a Ferrari 488, some of them would have still managed to get on it. There was even one on each side of the runner boards- the step on the door. I must admit that I was tempted to open the door the door. Just to be bad.
That lasted for two weeks and then they changed the GBC for a GBH, which requires a higher driving license than just a truck license. The escort only lasted as long as it took for the CMs to get all the urchins off the truck - I had to stop a couple of Ks a way so that all the little black Santa Clauses could get off with their bags of booty.
One day the two loaders convinced me to take the rubbish to their 'village'. Being me, I agreed. I demolished a wall of some mudhouse, but they said it didn't matter. The whole of the village turned out for this important event. I felt like Charles de Gaulle entering Paris during the liberation. All that was missing was the flag waving (and the German snipers). They then told me to benne it there, right in the village square. Which I did.
However once was enough.
 
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You didn't show disrespect (not with this one). I'm just pointing on how your pattern of thinking works. It's all about sex especially when we talk about east-european girls (boys? hope not :))
As you know i like east European women. But I like you dusa 😘... So when are you coming? 😁
 

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It's hard to me to believe that every soldier would obey that rule even on prep, non-combat trip to nature.

Are soldiers during ex - YU wars don't give a F for that for sure. For some reason, superiors probably thinking "it's hard time let's not bother men even more" so from what I understand (not first hand experience) they behave very undisciplined. All 3 sides.

I also sow that happens with some US troops in war area. Especially during Vietnam because troops are mainly non professionals (same with YU war). I think in combat discipline need to be even higher, not other way around. Its one thing if you let men not shave because there is no supply of razors and is completely different when you let them loose, behaving like jerks because "poor guys are under stress".
One thing in particular goes to my nerves. It's not big deal, but its very ugly and shows chaotic state of unite. It's when guys wear parts of uniform which don't belong to their unit, army or even are not military equipment. Excuse for those who do that from practical reasons. I'm against guys who wear it just for show of. Yeah, like that guy from Apocalypse Now with Union Cavalry hat. At least he could take Confederate, but that is too resist for Hollywood. :)

Anyone else noticed that phenomenon of some units having poor discipline during war time?

 

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Dusa, I think it's cool as hell that you recognized that hat as being a Cavalry hat (It's not necessarily a Union Cavalry hat-- it's actually a post war design, but still--good eye, bud).

You're also incorrect about one thing; that hat (also called a Stetson) is actually authorized for wear by all members of US Cavalry units. Of course, it isn't worn in the field or on combat operations, for obvious reasons. One unit, the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment, even wears a brown Cav hat.

My second unit-- the 43rd Combat Engineer Company-- was part of the 3d Armored Cavalry Reg't, so we were authorized to wear Stetsons; few of us ever did. Reason being, we were Engineers, and Engineers tend to hate the branches they support (Sole exception being the Infantry; we usually love them, for some reason).

Hence, I only have one rather embarrassing photo of 19 year-old me wearing a Stetson (Taken about a week after I'd gotten to the unit, before my buddies convinced me that the Cav guys were gay and so were their hats): stetson.jpg
 

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You coule hide a bath tub under that hat..btw
How many gallons does a Stetson hold ?
Created by Monsieur Stetson, correct?
Did you Know it was thé Croates who invented / created dress Ties / Cravate s?
 

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You coule hide a bath tub under that hat..btw
How many gallons does a Stetson hold ?
Created by Monsieur Stetson, correct?
Did you Know it was thé Croates who invented / created dress Ties / Cravate s?
No kidding. You'll sometimes hear Stetsons or, more typically, Cowboy hats referred to as "10 gallon hats". Now, a felt hat will hold some water for a bit, but 10 gallons seems excessive.

John B. Stetson is the guy that created and popularized the hat, yes.

Didn't know about Cravates being a Croatian invention. In fact, I figured it was English, on account of those lacy things the Cavaliers and roundheads wore during the ECW.
 

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Dusa, I think it's cool as hell that you recognized that hat as being a Cavalry hat (It's not necessarily a Union Cavalry hat-- it's actually a post war design, but still--good eye, bud).

You're also incorrect about one thing; that hat (also called a Stetson) is actually authorized for wear by all members of US Cavalry units. Of course, it isn't worn in the field or on combat operations, for obvious reasons. One unit, the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment, even wears a brown Cav hat.

My second unit-- the 43rd Combat Engineer Company-- was part of the 3d Armored Cavalry Reg't, so we were authorized to wear Stetsons; few of us ever did. Reason being, we were Engineers, and Engineers tend to hate the branches they support (Sole exception being the Infantry; we usually love them, for some reason).

Hence, I only have one rather embarrassing photo of 19 year-old me wearing a Stetson (Taken about a week after I'd gotten to the unit, before my buddies convinced me that the Cav guys were gay and so were their hats): View attachment 5668
Thanks for informing me, but damn right that looks gay. :). I think Sexper gonna have busy right hand tonight. :)
BTW you look cute there. :)

Aren't you half black or something? I think I saw your photos which makes me think that way.

But it's a cool hat anyway. Have to admit that.
 
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@ Crawdad...they too were Cavalry
Post Shitum
Bet you wish you had one of those scrubbing boards the Sexpervert posted, for your Cajun band?
How do you write 60 70 80 and 90 in Cajun?
I will tell you a story
 
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No kidding. You'll sometimes hear Stetsons or, more typically, Cowboy hats referred to as "10 gallon hats". Now, a felt hat will hold some water for a bit, but 10 gallons seems excessive.

John B. Stetson is the guy that created and popularized the hat, yes.

Didn't know about Cravates being a Croatian invention. In fact, I figured it was English, on account of those lacy things the Cavaliers and roundheads wore during the ECW.
Enougth time to quench the thirst of a horse !
Felt, is made from shredded wool and can bé used for making holsters
The hat, the tie and the holster....whaurs the Saloon, Ged?
 

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Thanks for informing me, but damn right that looks gay. :). I think Sexper gonna have busy right hand tonight. :)
BTW you look cute there. :)

Aren't you half black or something? I think I saw your photos which makes me think that way.

But it's a cool hat anyway. Have to admit that.
According to both genealogical research and 23 and me: I'm 1/16th black and about 3/16th (just under 20%) Native. The rest of my forbears were Western European; mostly French and Spanish, the rest largely from all over the British Isles. Racially, I'm White(ish); Ethnically, I'm Créole.

The funny thing with genetics is that not all siblings share the same traits, so in our family you have people with a variety of hair/eye colors and complexions. Case in point: masoeur.jpg

That's my Sister. Same parents, but very different features.
 

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@ Crawdad...they too were Cavalry
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Bet you wish you had one of those scrubbing boards the Sexpervert posted, for your Cajun band?
How do you write 60 70 80 and 90 in Cajun?
I will tell you a story
You mean a Frottoir? Those are sort of cumbersome. Now, some enterprising soul took some corrugated tin, made a vest of it, and made the Vest Frottoir, which sort of looks like a mix of a washboard and a medieval breast plate.

Our numbers are the same as in standard french; soixante, soixante-dix, quatre-vignts, quatre-vingts-dix. In Kreyol Lwiziyen, they're also the same, but the spelling/pronunciation is all kinds of fecked up:

60 swasann
70 swasanndis
80 katreven
90 katrevendis

As for the story, I love a good tale.
 

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How many fingers on each hand?
How many toes on each foot?
You have heard of Louis XV? That is quinze or 15 if you prefer
Do you Know the décimal système ?
Am sure you do
 

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4 fingers, 5 toes.

I know a bit about Louis XV (there's an island nearby named for him--Dauphin Island); but more about Louis XIV and Louis XVI. Besides them, I really only know about Louis IX, Charles III, and of course Napoléon I & III.

By decimal system, do you mean Roman numerals, or decimal counting systems ( i.e. the way the Belge and Suisse count)? I can't go much past 50 in roman numerals;
I've heard of the Swiss and Belgian methods but I'm not sure who uses what. (Septante, huitante/octante, nonante).
 

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Sign language was inspirés by roman numbers
Louis 15 founded the military hospital...the Quinze vingts (300)
Capable of holding 15 x 20. = 300 beds
10 fingers on both hands
10 toes on both feet
= 20
A man counts by 20 worth
France kept this bizzare Thé others are correct
By the way
It was an english pastor who created the Universal counting système, now called the metric système
 
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