HK-416

#21
I read an interesting article once about overpricing the civilian market, the US government pays $350 for a brand spanking new M4A1 from Remington or Colt and thats with bloated defence contract pricing. A civvy will pay around $1200 for an AR 15. I'm sure the French have made a deal with the Germans with the HK, I cannot see any country paying $4000 per service rifle. The yanks pay $10 000 for the CSASS kit from HK including optics and that is a highly modified version of the 417.

The US sources their Ar15 carbine types (M4s) from FN and their Rifle length form Colt. Both FN and Colt sell their "MIL SPEC!!" For a lot more than other rifles that are not "MIL SPEC!!", which is a good way to over charge for a firearm in the US Market...
Yet they fail to see that sometimes a firearm being "Mil spec" is not always a good thing... A good case of this is the Civilian M9 that beretta sells for a bit more than a regular 92fs... YET the M9 uses an older design of the 92fs while the regular 92fs use the upgraded frame that was made in the mid 90s for the 96fs (40 sw version)...
So some people gives more money to beretta to own a 92fs with outdated design, but HEY it's MIL SPEC

I did work in a gunshop and also as a gunsmith for a good amount of time, i can pretty much said that a good amount of gun owners are just people that love to have fantasies about being uber tactical operators and those who have big wallets are willing to be ripped of by gun mfg. Hell i even people that got civilian peq 15 (IR laser) for about 1500 what for i dunno???
Sadly, a lot of gun owners are just like this and give a bad image to the rest...

 

SnafuSmite

Active Member
#22
The US sources their Ar15 carbine types (M4s) from FN and their Rifle length form Colt. Both FN and Colt sell their "MIL SPEC!!" For a lot more than other rifles that are not "MIL SPEC!!", which is a good way to over charge for a firearm in the US Market...
Yet they fail to see that sometimes a firearm being "Mil spec" is not always a good thing... A good case of this is the Civilian M9 that beretta sells for a bit more than a regular 92fs... YET the M9 uses an older design of the 92fs while the regular 92fs use the upgraded frame that was made in the mid 90s for the 96fs (40 sw version)...
So some people gives more money to beretta to own a 92fs with outdated design, but HEY it's MIL SPEC

I did work in a gunshop and also as a gunsmith for a good amount of time, i can pretty much said that a good amount of gun owners are just people that love to have fantasies about being uber tactical operators and those who have big wallets are willing to be ripped of by gun mfg. Hell i even people that got civilian peq 15 (IR laser) for about 1500 what for i dunno???
Sadly, a lot of gun owners are just like this and give a bad image to the rest.....

Too true....all these tacticool dudes wears plate carriers and body armor to the range with their cammies.....quite funny actually. All these rambo wannabes are hilarious, never forget when I did some 3 gun, this guy rocked up with a bloody Robocop gun, red dot lasers, comp the works! Always came last:ROFLMAO:
 
#28
Reality is far more different, most people who I see at my rifle club can't shoot for shit, and some of those are ex-servicemen! Formal training and continuing practice is the only way.
It's a common assumption that people in the military are good shooters. Read, or maybe heard (honestly can't remember) a study several years ago that said most people in the armed services are actually horrible shooters. And furthermore, even guys in the infantry of non specialist units are pretty lousy shots. In the Marine Corps we call them Pizza Boxes, on account of their marksmanship badge being literally just a square piece of metal with a circle in it, the lamest badge you'll ever receive.
 

DCLXVI

Legionnaire
#29
Oh yeah man, I knew we had all discussed the rifle, but I wanted to share some fancy videos about it so everyone could see it up close, especially for those new people coming in who might think the FAMAS is still in use. I think by now the FAMAS is probably all gone and done with. And it's about time, that platform was starting to show its age

If I make it in, I have a few combat arms friends here in the States who are going to be MIGHTY jealous that I get to carry one. And I have a 75th Ranger Regiment friend who is quite peeved that the Rangers are using the Mk16 Mod 0 these days. It's an overpriced piece of crap, so I hear

Surfguy! Get in here and talk about guns with us!
You don't know what you are talking about. The FAMAS is still used and 90% of the Legion uses it. Parts of REP and just 13th have the HK and that isn't even in all the companies. There might be 600 HKs tops in all the Legion. The Famas is a great plastic rifle, too. IF you get in and IF you go to the REP or in the Larzac it's still not even sure you'll ever touch an HK. MMMMMKay?.
 
#31
Anyone got any film clips of the Legion marching with the HK416?
Nope. It'll be interesting to see next year's Bastille day parade (14 July). FAMAS or HK ?
Am sure the Legion will want to flaunt their new toy for the 14/7 and the choice of the regiment parading might be based on this. Often new material and equipment is issued on such occasions. Acts like an accelerator.
 
#33
The deployment of the HK-416 is a multi-year program. Here a document from the French MoD, regarding the plan for 2017 and 2018. Couldn't (or didn't have time to) find a more recent one. The document (in French) says that by YE 2018, the following Legion units will have :
• 2e REP : 660 copies
• 13e DBLE : 660
• 3e REI : 40
• 4e RE : 380
• 2e REG : 300
So, in total, at the end of this year there will be 2,040 copies of the HK-416 distributed to Legion units. More than the figure given by DCLXVI who's however right in saying that we're still far from having the whole Legion equipped. We see in particular that two big units (1er REC and 2e REI) won't have any HK-416 by YE2018. A total of 110,000 copies have been ordered from H&K. The deployment is due to be complete by 2026. In my view, too slow, but... money, money, money...


The HK-416 has already been displayed at last year Bastille Day parade. It was the 1er Régiment de Tirailleurs, a mechanised infantry regiment based in Épinal (NE France) which had the privilege to be the first unit to show it. The drill is the same as for the FAMAS. No change. Below a video of July 14, 2017 parade. At 01:03:20 you see 1er RTir.

 
#35
Those guys look sharp! Really cool uniforms. All the US military uniforms are very dark, with greens, blues and blacks, baring the navy which is mostly white with some black. These bright uniforms look very traditional and seem very European to me. Great vid, Rapace, thanks man.

They look more awkward to carry on the chest than a FAMAS, quite a bit longer.
Yeah, and they are polar opposite in weight distribution, as well. All or most bullpups are back heavy, and the 416 with its piston mechanism is very front heavy. Will take some getting used to.

You don't know what you are talking about. The FAMAS is still used and 90% of the Legion uses it. Parts of REP and just 13th have the HK and that isn't even in all the companies. There might be 600 HKs tops in all the Legion. The Famas is a great plastic rifle, too. IF you get in and IF you go to the REP or in the Larzac it's still not even sure you'll ever touch an HK. MMMMMKay?.
Ok so I was wrong. This is why we discuss. Thank you for the information. According to news, it will eventually be completely replaced, just not anytime soon. Another 7 years or so.
 

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