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2 Reg 1Cie 1Sec in Mali summer 2017.

Maybe someone will find this interesting. Didn't find it on YouTube but all the same.

I'm in the same companie but in 2nd Section. We went to Gao in that same time.

 

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Interesting video. Some details I didn't know, like (from 13:50) the procedure of taking a picture taken in dress uniform before leaving for a deployment, just in case the Legion needs a good recent picture of a legionnaire that could be killed. Those pictures are used in official publications and for ceremonies to pay tribute to those who didn't make it back. A number of such pictures have been already published on the forum (see section Memorial).
At 22:00 one can see a specialty developed in the last 10 years the French military (as well as in other countries) called military forensics (in French FOS for Fouille Opérationnelle Spécialisée). An adjudant-chef (the guy with the face blurred in the video) is leading a team that is trying to find evidence on the scene, after the VAB has been hit by an IED, to try and identify the perpetrators. Don't know in other countries, but in France this specialty belongs to the Engineers regiments (2e REG in this case).
 

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Yes, that is section FOS normally, but in this case was ADC from EOD in charge. And I can't remember if FOS was there.
Guys spent almost 4 hours to clean up everything. But they got the wounded out and everyone survived, which was lucky, actually...
 

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Happy to hear the badly injured VAB driver has survived. For the ’non-francophones’ they explain in the documentary that removing the wreck of the VAB hit by the IED and cleaning everything is a way to avoid the rebels to use it as a trophy (post pictures on FB, etc.). ‘Communication’ is an important aspect in this type of conflict.
 
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(...) For the ’non-francophones’ they explain in the documentary that removing the wreck of the VAB hit by the IED and cleaning everything is a way to avoid the rebels to use it as a trophy (post pictures on FB, etc.). ‘Communication’ is an important aspect in this type of conflict.
Absolutely correct. Not to mention discovering the VAB's weak points. VAB means Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé was designed as a troop carrier to attack the enemy head first into battle. It's amphibious and NBC conditioned but it does have it's weak spots.
 

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Field experience in places where this type of attack is common (Afghanistan, now Sahel) has shown that the VAB, which is ~40 years-old, was reacting surprisingly well to an IED explosion (in that it offered good protection to the personnel inside). In the framework of the so-called Programme Scorpion the VAB wil be replaced by a new armoured personnel transport vehicle, called the VMBR “Griffon” (Véhicule Blindé Multi-Rôles, Multi-Purpose Armoured Vehicle).
 

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Field experience in places where this type of attack is common (Afghanistan, now Sahel) has shown that the VAB, which is ~40 years-old, was reacting surprisingly well to an IED explosion (in that it offered good protection to the personnel inside). In the framework of the so-called Programme Scorpion the VAB wil be replaced by a new armoured personnel transport vehicle, called the VMBR “Griffon” (Véhicule Blindé Multi-Rôles, Multi-Purpose Armoured Vehicle).
I saw short program presented by "gaston la gaffe" the comedian, but can't find it again.


It has to be remembered that the cam is for the show room and will be adopted later to its environment.
 

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Field experience in places where this type of attack is common (Afghanistan, now Sahel) has shown that the VAB, which is ~40 years-old, was reacting surprisingly well to an IED explosion (in that it offered good protection to the personnel inside). In the framework of the so-called Programme Scorpion the VAB wil be replaced by a new armoured personnel transport vehicle, called the VMBR “Griffon” (Véhicule Blindé Multi-Rôles, Multi-Purpose Armoured Vehicle).
I see France already made contract for certain number of this mean looking vehicles. Do anyone know when first would be delivered and would 1er REC get some? I'm having a Renault engine under my hood so I'm already a bit Franco-patriotic, Rapace (say few nice words about me ;)).
 

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I see France already made contract for certain number of this mean looking vehicles. Do anyone know when first would be delivered and would 1er REC get some? (...)
1er REC's main equipment is the AMX10-RC. This, as part of the same so-called Programme Scorpion, will be replaced by the EBRC “Jaguar” (Engin Blindé de Reconnaissance et de Combat, Armoured Reconnaissance and Combat Vehicle). This will come later. However, 1er REC is also using VABs and they will be replaced by the VBMR. Interestingly, Belgium has decided to become a partner in the Programme Scorpion and have agreed to purchase 60 EBRCs and 417 VBMRs. The Belgian Army has also recently signed an agreement with their French counterparts to have a joint training of their officers belonging to units using those vehicles.

(...) I'm having a Renault engine under my hood so I'm already a bit Franco-patriotic, Rapace (say few nice words about me ;)).
:rolleyes:

Don't know about VBMR but I've seen a lot of these. ;)
And it's a monster...
The VBCI is a different type of ‘beast’. It's more heavily armed than the future VMBR (a 25mm cannon vs. ‘only’ a .50 cal machine gun mounted on a remotely operated turret). The VBCI as the French acronym says is really a combat vehicle, able to engage important targets at long distance, while the role of the VBMR is essentially a troop carrier, the .50 cal machine-gun being more a ‘self defense’ armament, but a significant improvement vs. the VAB.
 
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I saw short program presented by "gaston la gaffe" the comedian, but can't find it again.


It has to be remembered that the cam is for the show room and will be adopted later to its environment.
Spot the faults. I can mention 3
Griffon = Eagle head on the body of a lion in mythology.
Don't know about VBMR but I've seen a lot of these. ;)
And it's a monster...

A hybride version of VAB and AMX 10P (without the tracks)
 

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(...) A hybride version of VAB and AMX 10P (without the tracks)
Well, actually the VBCI will replace the AMX10 P (and beyond, since for example 2e REI received VBCIs while they didn't have AMX10 P). That means that by 2025, the French Army will no longer have any armoured vehicle on tracks, except of course the “Leclerc” Main Battle Tank. Some experts criticize this ‘all wheels’ choice saying that in urban warfare in particular, vehicles on tracks are more maneuverable than those on wheels (able to do a 180°in a very little space, for example). I'm not an expert, so I won't take side in this debate tracks vs. wheels...:D
 
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Was referring to the style, aesthetics (like in cars, when in updated, newer versions, you can always see a bit of the old). The Camp des Garrigues, near Nîmes (now run by the Legion), had AMX10 P.
 

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Was referring to the style, aesthetics (like in cars, when in updated, newer versions, you can always see a bit of the old). (...)
Yes you're right, there's some resemblance. To clarify things, below are images of the AMX10 P and VBCI (not the same scale). AMX10 P was introduced in the 70s in the “mechanized infantry” regiments, which were parts of the armoured divisions, in the ‘good old days’ of the Cold War. The cannon is 20 mm (vs. 25 for the VBCI).

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AMX10 P

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VBCI
 

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Now here is what I call a reconnaissance vehicle:


There used to be one outside the museum in Aubagne. There were 2 pilots, one in the front and one in the back, I kid you not.
 
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There was a ‘Greyhound’ M8 Light Armoured Car (AM-M8 in French, AM standing for auto-mitrailleuse) at the museum.
At Nîmes we had a T62 and a Russian 2cl from the 1st Cie showed the B2 how to start, drive and maintain it.
 

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Now here is what I call a reconnaissance vehicle:


There used to be one outside the museum in Aubagne. There were 2 pilots, one in the front and one in the back, I kid you not.
Remembering the capabilities of the EBR, I don't see much improvement on the modern armoured vehicles. ebr.jpg
 
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For those who are interested, Canada is deploying an Aviation task Force to Mali as part of MINUSMA.

News Article Link

details are still murky but the Force package is thought to be a 6 pack of helicopters 2xCH47 Chinooks, 4xCH146 Griffon (Huey Bell 412) to serve as gunship/escorts (Armed With Dillon M134/GAU-21 .50cal).

They will also be providing 2x transport aircraft thought to be C130J Model and an Infantry Element as a QRF element for the mission and undisclosed enabling assets.

Rumour is they will also have an agreement to also support the G5 Mission which is separate from MINUSMA and is the Anti-terror mission in the Sahel. So I wouldn't be surprised if they deploy

Our new government has been really eager to play up UN operations and is pushing for maximum participation of women in the mission.
 

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