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"Never in the history of mankind has so much been owed by so many to so few".

Churchill, so legend has it, first used his famous words upon his exit from the Battle of Britain Bunker at RAF Uxbridge on 16 August 1940, when visiting the No. 11 Group RAF Operations Room during a day of battle. Afterwards, Churchill told Major General Hastings Ismay, "Don't speak to me, I have never been so moved". After several minutes of silence, he said the sentence would form the basis of his speech to the House of Commons on 20 August.

Perhaps the words of the Great man, Sir Winston Churchill were going through Flight Lieutenant Alan Pollock’s mind when he went rogue in his Hawker Hunter FGA. 9

1968. the RAF was to celebrate its golden anniversary of 50 years, making it the oldest Airforce in the world. As mentioned in the OTP English Electric Lightening video: The Royal Flying Corps was the air arm of the British Army before and during the First World War, until it merged with the Royal Naval Air Service on 1 April 1918 to form the Royal Air Force.

However, under Harold Wilson’s Labor government and a succession of Conservative governments before him, it was considered necessary to cut defense budgets, in spite of:

“Wilson's first period as Prime Minister coincided with a period of low unemployment and relative economic prosperity”.

The spending cuts included a lot of fighter planes of the RAF, to be replaced by guided weapons. (cf The 1957 Defense White Paper)

This naturally did not go down well with British airplane manufacturing companies and moral in the armed forces was expectedly low. On 1 April 1968, Pollock and other members of No. 1 Squadron took part in anniversary leaflet raids on other RAF stations and on 4 April visited RAF Tangmere, where they performed a display. –Tangmere was later to be mothballed by the gov. They were then to return to RAF West Raynham the following day, 5th April 1968.

Flt lt Alan Pollock decided to show his anger at the cuts and the government’s lack luster attitude of celebrating their golden anniversary. As the planes took off, he broke off from formation, ignoring repeated radio calls Pollock then dropped low and headed towards Dunsfold Aerodrome* where the Hunter hawkers were made.

Ft Lt Pollock proceeded to ‘beat up the airfield”, which in RAF slang means low leveled high-pitched screaming passes. His Next stop was on to the houses of Parliament. Flying low and at relatively slow speed until he saw the houses in the distance. Here Pollock accelerated his Rolls Royce Avon MK 207 engine and made three buzzing passes which had the windows of the Houses of Parliaments vibrating. This was Ft Lt Pollock’s way of showing parliament that he (and the RAF) were not at all happy with the reducing of the defense budget, not to mention it’s sh*tty way of celebrating their golden Jubilee (I mean WTF dropping leaflets!?).

With it being a Saturday, there were thousands of people who stopped to stare at this lone fighter jet racing along the embankment, which runs parallel to the river Thames. He passed the RAF memorial with its tapering Portland stone pylon topped by zodiacal globe bearing a gilded eagle with raised wings, taken from the RAF's badge. Facing east towards the River Thames and in the rough direction of France**. He dipped his wings in solemn salute.

He then came to an even bigger (in the true sense of the word) symbol of London, the famous Tower Bridge. In Pollock’s own words “he was unsure of what to do; should he just fly over it or go through it”. Between the road bridge and the overhead walkway with the two towers barely 61metres apart. A double decker bus was crossing over the bridge (along with the usual procession of London Hackney cabs).

He might as well be hung for a lamb as for a sheep. After all his jet was a low-level attack fighter and that is what he was trained for. There are no photographs or footage of the exploit, however it was the talk of the city for many weeks afterwards.

On his way back to RAF West Raynham, Flight lieutenant Pollock beat up three other RAF airfields preforming low level pass overs and victory rolls. Word of his exploits over the houses of Parliament and through the Tower bridge, proceeded his arrival. His welcoming committee included a couple of burly RAF policemen waiting quietly in the background.

For his troubles Flight lieutenant Pollock was given a medical discharge. Quietly so that there was no scandal. However, there was a scandal as soon as the newspapers heard about it. Even with public outcry, it took until 1982 before he was exonerated of any wrong doing.

* By the early 1950s, Hawker’s were developing jets for which the short, grass landing strips then available to them, were not sufficient. They needed long, hard-surfaced runways, which was what Dunsfold could provide.

**The Royal Air Force Memorial is a military memorial on the Victoria Embankment in central London, dedicated to the memory of the casualties of the Royal Air Force in World War I. Unveiled in 1923, it became a Grade II listed structure in 1958, and was upgraded to Grade II* in 2018

  • On the outbreak of the Second World War, Harold Wilson volunteered for military service but was classed as a specialist and moved into the civil service instead, (No comment).
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The Republic F-105 Thunderchief was an American supersonic fighter-bomber used by the United States Air Force. Capable of Mach 2, it conducted the majority of strike bombing missions during the early years of the Vietnam War; it was the only American aircraft to have been removed from combat due to high loss rates.
Nicknamed the “Thud” by pilots and ground crew alike. On Mar. 2, 1965, North Vietnamese guards at an ammunition storage area near Xom Bang heard the telltale sounds of massed aircraft overhead. They then learned why the F-105 Thunderchief earned the nickname "Thud" as 5,000 pounds of bombs from each of the passing planes hit the Earth around them.

The Operation Rolling Thunder bombing campaign began on March 2, 1965, partly in response to a Viet Cong attack on a U.S. air base at Pleiku. The Johnson administration cited a number of reasons for shifting U.S. strategy to include systematic aerial assaults on North Vietnam.
The United States Air Force had just launched Operation Rolling Thunder, a bombing campaign over North Vietnam that lasted more than three years. Rolling Thunder was an effort to break the will and ability of the Communists in the North and bring a negotiated end to the aggression against the non-Communist South. But, like many other aspects of the Vietnam War, it restricted the warfighter for political reasons and failed to achieve its overall strategic goals.

Meanwhile, the men flying above North Vietnam were performing acts of valor and heroism without knowing what's happening in Washington. The Thunderchief was later replaced as a strike aircraft over North Vietnam by both the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II and the swing-wing General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark. However, the "Wild Weasel" variants of the F-105 remained in service until 1984 after being replaced by the specialized F-4G "Wild Weasel V".

Although it is difficult to put an actual number on the downed aircraft as reports vary. The pilots and families could always rely on the search and rescue in their Jolly Green Giants. Referred to in the documentary as the more familiar nick name as “Jolly Greens”. The Sikorsky HH-3E nicknamed the “Jolly Green Giant” due to its distinctive green paint scheme. In 1965 alone, the HH-3E crews rescued 122 troops from the jungles of Vietnam .
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I'm surprised that the US believed that their modern technology could so easily take out the Viet minh. Shortly before his death in Africa, in 1947, General Leclerc wrote:
"France will no longer put down by force a grouping of 24 million inhabitants which is assuming unity and in which there exits xenophobic and perhaps a national ideal... The main problem is political."

General Leclerc was at one time commander in Chief of Indochina. his adversary the General Giap is legendary for applying Mao's works on guerrilla warfare. Not to be left out of the limelight he added some tactical tips of his own:

If the enemy advances, we retreat.
If he halts, we harass.
If he avoids battle, we attack.
If he retreats, we follow.

At peace talks, which broke down, in Fontainebleau France, Jean Sainteny, who was a French politician sent to Vietnam after the end of the Second World War in order to accept the surrender of the Japanese forces and to attempt to re-incorporate Vietnam into French Indochina, stated :
"The French must triumph militarily"
Ho Chi Minh responded:
" You will kill ten of our men while we will kill one of yours, but you will be the ones who end up exhausted"

Having kicked out the Japs and then the French, perhaps the US were a little too confident in their hi tech and Nuclear powered ships
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Of Course everyone has heard of Enola Gay.

In 1946, The Us government had created the Air Defense Command or ADC which consisted of radar tracking stations and interceptor fighters to protect themselves. Fighter planes and bombers made up the Tactical Air Command or TAC. Among the TAC was the Strategic Air Command which everyone knows as the SAC.

Their biggest threat was the USSR who were trying to spread communism. Although no-one knows where the origin ‘cold war’ sprang from, it is widely believed that it became a household name because of the Walter Lippman who was a journalist and used it frequently in his columns and even wrote a book by the same name in 1947.

Although I know for a fact, having read the essay “You and the Atom Bomb’, by George Orwell, published in 1945 …”. Unconquerable and in a permanent state ofcold war” with its neighbours. The term La guerre froide was very common in France during the 1930s.

The US atomic stock pile after WW2 was, by modern standards modest (to say the least). In 1946 they had 9. In 1947 they had 13, however the Atomic Energy Commission gave the go ahead to build another 200. SAC Had over 300 B 29s, one in ten capable of carrying an atomic bomb. This was about the time when air to air refueling had been mastered. An emergency war plan was masterminded, in which B 29s would fly from the US, Britain and Morocco to regroup having dispersed the aircraft carrying their atomic ordinance. Each group would then attack major cities. The plan “leaked “ out and kept the soviets quiet.

That was until August ’49 when the Russians tested out their first atomic bomb in Kazakhstan, called RDS-1 or First lightning, or “Joe -1” as the US called it. There was no real worry for the immediate because the Russians had no means of delivering a bomb as far away as the US. No B 29s.

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My Mate had to telephone to You Tube in order for me to be able to post this and the previous one as I had been flagged by one of their Mods for posting Spam:
I spoke to YouTube admin.

One of your posts was flagged as spam a few months ago. It was unflagged by me within 24 hours.
The YT Algorithms/safety bots then continue to check your posts . New posts can be deleted before they even reach me for review.

I have now made you an approved user for my channel, this by passes all checks: Comments from you are automatically published and won't be filtered for blocked links, blocked words, or potentially inappropriate content.

You can still be reported if someone from Kuwait decides to do so ha ha...

Try reposting mate, hopefully resolved
 

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Their biggest threat was the USSR who were trying to spread communism.
Actually Joe communism was mostly paravane, just tool to spread colonial intentions of Russia.
To be honest if US adopted communism as system that wouldn't much diverted it from current shape of state wealth or of well being of its citizens. It took me a lot to figure that out, but I'm pretty sure that progress and well being of one state (nation) doesn't really depend on government or dictators , but on average Joe's (as you and me :)). I don't know how this theory of mine it's correct or not, but I'm pretty sure is very close to truth.
One man no matter how powerful, can't do a shit without support of its own people or at least good part of it.

And BTW why do you older westerners have so strong, a deep-seated fear of communism? I understand all that cold war propaganda etc , but come on ... I mean communism doesn't exist anywhere in world (except maybe N. Korea) and what is so scary about that state governing method especially for "average Joe" who is not dirty rich multi billionaire... And boy these guys are so deeply scared that they can maybe get left with only miserable 100 mill instead of who knows how much billions. Which BTW all of them earned honestly with Its own 10 finger by buying one apple for dollar and selling it for 2$ (haha :) yeah right)

Rule of evil dictators and communist party officials don't have any direct connections with idea of communism, but looks that they appear almost everywhere where communism was official state policy.

So no, we all saw that communism wasn't why to go, but that doesn't mean that all communist ideas are bad, evil and need to be entirely rejected.
 
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"Never in the history of mankind has so much been owed by so many to so few".

Churchill, so legend has it, first used his famous words upon his exit from the Battle of Britain Bunker at RAF Uxbridge on 16 August 1940, when visiting the No. 11 Group RAF Operations Room during a day of battle. Afterwards, Churchill told Major General Hastings Ismay, "Don't speak to me, I have never been so moved". After several minutes of silence, he said the sentence would form the basis of his speech to the House of Commons on 20 August.

Perhaps the words of the Great man, Sir Winston Churchill were going through Flight Lieutenant Alan Pollock’s mind when he went rogue in his Hawker Hunter FGA. 9

1968. the RAF was to celebrate its golden anniversary of 50 years, making it the oldest Airforce in the world. As mentioned in the OTP English Electric Lightening video: The Royal Flying Corps was the air arm of the British Army before and during the First World War, until it merged with the Royal Naval Air Service on 1 April 1918 to form the Royal Air Force.

However, under Harold Wilson’s Labor government and a succession of Conservative governments before him, it was considered necessary to cut defense budgets, in spite of:

“Wilson's first period as Prime Minister coincided with a period of low unemployment and relative economic prosperity”.

The spending cuts included a lot of fighter planes of the RAF, to be replaced by guided weapons. (cf The 1957 Defense White Paper)

This naturally did not go down well with British airplane manufacturing companies and moral in the armed forces was expectedly low. On 1 April 1968, Pollock and other members of No. 1 Squadron took part in anniversary leaflet raids on other RAF stations and on 4 April visited RAF Tangmere, where they performed a display. –Tangmere was later to be mothballed by the gov. They were then to return to RAF West Raynham the following day, 5th April 1968.

Flt lt Alan Pollock decided to show his anger at the cuts and the government’s lack luster attitude of celebrating their golden anniversary. As the planes took off, he broke off from formation, ignoring repeated radio calls Pollock then dropped low and headed towards Dunsfold Aerodrome* where the Hunter hawkers were made.

Ft Lt Pollock proceeded to ‘beat up the airfield”, which in RAF slang means low leveled high-pitched screaming passes. His Next stop was on to the houses of Parliament. Flying low and at relatively slow speed until he saw the houses in the distance. Here Pollock accelerated his Rolls Royce Avon MK 207 engine and made three buzzing passes which had the windows of the Houses of Parliaments vibrating. This was Ft Lt Pollock’s way of showing parliament that he (and the RAF) were not at all happy with the reducing of the defense budget, not to mention it’s sh*tty way of celebrating their golden Jubilee (I mean WTF dropping leaflets!?).

With it being a Saturday, there were thousands of people who stopped to stare at this lone fighter jet racing along the embankment, which runs parallel to the river Thames. He passed the RAF memorial with its tapering Portland stone pylon topped by zodiacal globe bearing a gilded eagle with raised wings, taken from the RAF's badge. Facing east towards the River Thames and in the rough direction of France**. He dipped his wings in solemn salute.

He then came to an even bigger (in the true sense of the word) symbol of London, the famous Tower Bridge. In Pollock’s own words “he was unsure of what to do; should he just fly over it or go through it”. Between the road bridge and the overhead walkway with the two towers barely 61metres apart. A double decker bus was crossing over the bridge (along with the usual procession of London Hackney cabs).

He might as well be hung for a lamb as for a sheep. After all his jet was a low-level attack fighter and that is what he was trained for. There are no photographs or footage of the exploit, however it was the talk of the city for many weeks afterwards.

On his way back to RAF West Raynham, Flight lieutenant Pollock beat up three other RAF airfields preforming low level pass overs and victory rolls. Word of his exploits over the houses of Parliament and through the Tower bridge, proceeded his arrival. His welcoming committee included a couple of burly RAF policemen waiting quietly in the background.

For his troubles Flight lieutenant Pollock was given a medical discharge. Quietly so that there was no scandal. However, there was a scandal as soon as the newspapers heard about it. Even with public outcry, it took until 1982 before he was exonerated of any wrong doing.

* By the early 1950s, Hawker’s were developing jets for which the short, grass landing strips then available to them, were not sufficient. They needed long, hard-surfaced runways, which was what Dunsfold could provide.

**The Royal Air Force Memorial is a military memorial on the Victoria Embankment in central London, dedicated to the memory of the casualties of the Royal Air Force in World War I. Unveiled in 1923, it became a Grade II listed structure in 1958, and was upgraded to Grade II* in 2018

  • On the outbreak of the Second World War, Harold Wilson volunteered for military service but was classed as a specialist and moved into the civil service instead, (No comment).
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On this day in 2015 A vintage Hawker Hunter crashes into a motorway.

Shoreham air crash: Hawker Hunter jet crashed killing 11 men
Pilot Andy Hill has been cleared of manslaughter by gross negligence after his plane crashed into the A27 in Shoreham during the 2015 air show.
Mr Hill's Hunter Hawker jet hit the ground and exploded after he attempted a manoeuvre known as the bent loop, the Old Bailey heard.
The court was shown several clips of the moment the vintage aircraft erupted into a "massive fireball" upon crashing into the A27 in August 2015
 
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What I can't understand about the US is, they don't seem to have learned from the past. And yet we all know that all the world's greatest military academies be it Sandhurst, Westpoint, St Cyr or General Staff Academy, Moscow (and there are others), study great battles lost and won, in order to learn from their mistakes.

Albeit that Khe Sanh was a victory for the US, had they not learned anything from Dien Bien Phu.

The cost of lives alone would have been enormous. But to quote Mr. *Ho ... " You will kill ten of our men while we will kill one of yours, but you will be the ones who end up exhausted". It was on this day 22 August 1945 that began the August Revolution or August General Uprising, depending on whose side you were on.

Sure the French took a beating at their isolated outpost. So there were lessons to be learned from it. I mention this because I saw the film 'The Outpost" the other day. In the words of the great Bob Dylan "Oh you know some babes never learn". This time the Out Post, which is based on real events,, is in Afghanistan.

*I put down Mr. Ho as Ho Chi Minh was the final alias that he used, having changed his name every time that he moved, whether it was France, Russia, Hong Kong, Siam or China. I suppose it was just as well that he chose Ho Chi Minh over some of his aliases such as Nguyen Ai Quoc, Which translates to Nguyen the parrot. It wouldn't be the same calling Ho Chi Minh city, Nguyen ai Quoc city.

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Actually Joe communism was mostly paravane, just tool to spread colonial intentions of Russia.
To be honest if US adopted communism as system that wouldn't much diverted it from current shape of state wealth or of well being of its citizens. It took me a lot to figure that out, but I'm pretty sure that progress and well being of one state (nation) doesn't really depend on government or dictators , but on average Joe's (as you and me :)). I don't know how this theory of mine it's correct or not, but I'm pretty sure is very close to truth.
One man no matter how powerful, can't do a shit without support of its own people or at least good part of it.

And BTW why do you older westerners have so strong, a deep-seated fear of communism? I understand all that cold war propaganda etc , but come on ... I mean communism doesn't exist anywhere in world (except maybe N. Korea) and what is so scary about that state governing method especially for "average Joe" who is not dirty rich multi billionaire... And boy these guys are so deeply scared that they can maybe get left with only miserable 100 mill instead of who knows how much billions. Which BTW all of them earned honestly with Its own 10 finger by buying one apple for dollar and selling it for 2$ (haha :) yeah right)

Rule of evil dictators and communist party officials don't have any direct connections with idea of communism, but looks that they appear almost everywhere where communism was official state policy.

So no, we all saw that communism wasn't why to go, but that doesn't mean that all communist ideas are bad, evil and need to be entirely rejected.
Dusa why don't you click on the link and leave a shortened version of your rabblings er,:unsure: wisended words?
 

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What I can't understand about the US is, they don't seem to have learned from the past. And yet we all know that all the world's greatest military academies be it Sandhurst, Westpoint, St Cyr or General Staff Academy, Moscow (and there are others), study great battles lost and won, in order to learn from their mistakes.

Albeit that Khe Sanh was a victory for the US, had they not learned anything from Dien Bien Phu.

The cost of lives alone would have been enormous. But to quote Mr. *Ho ... " You will kill ten of our men while we will kill one of yours, but you will be the ones who end up exhausted". It was on this day 22 August 1945 that began the August Revolution or August General Uprising, depending on whose side you were on.

Sure the French took a beating at their isolated outpost. So there were lessons to be learned from it. I mention this because I saw the film 'The Outpost" the other day. In the words of the great Bob Dylan "Oh you know some babes never learn". This time the Out Post, which is based on real events,, is in Afghanistan.

*I put down Mr. Ho as Ho Chi Minh was the final alias that he used, having changed his name every time that he moved, whether it was France, Russia, Hong Kong, Siam or China. I suppose it was just as well that he chose Ho Chi Minh over some of his aliases such as Nguyen Ai Quoc, Which translates to Nguyen the parrot. It wouldn't be the same calling Ho Chi Minh city, Nguyen ai Quoc city.

Link to ▶ the video
A friend of mine (an Oz Vietnam vet) gave me this book a few weeks back. Just about to start reading it. General Giap (the Red Napoleon) had no previous military training. He was a history teacher at a French speaking academy. Giáp personally cited T.E Lawrence and Napoleon as his greatest influences
 

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