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Cheers Tom,
Basically, if I've gotten this correct, what you are asking is, if when you have finished your 5 years, is your next contract for 5 years? No, as Tom points out you can sign on for a Maximum of 3 years to a minimum of 6 months.
Perhaps it would be better to put it this way: once you have done your 5 years, you can then sign on for periods of 6 months up to a maximum of 3 years.
Who would want to sign on for 6 months longer? It depends. For example someone who is trying to get French nationality and is behind with his paper work. Or if the company is going overseas on a tour, it is preferable to have six months left on your contract.
As Tom rightly points out, if you are due to go on you Sgt's course, you will be expected to stay for at least another 3 years. The cost of training someone over 4 months means that the legion and the French army want to get their money's worth.

Idem if you are going overseas for a two year period, you need at least 6 months on your contract when you return. The one thing to remember is that the first contract is for 5 years.
 
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This from BM:

Hi Joe,

Thanks very much for taking the time to reply to me I really appreciate it and I know I'm very lucky to have received a response from you, I'm very sorry for the time I made you wait on the response I had a close friend pass away and haven't been myself recently. I can't remember to the full extent what you wrote to me and there is no way to see it now whilst I'm replying.
I think you said option 1 was tell them you don't understand what the paper said and I think that is just what I'm gonna do. In my mind I think I will go back and tell them that if they ask I just hope it works I don't think they realised how much I needed to be there the time I spent from I got back in my eyes was just a lot more time wasted..
Although I have been keeping my fitness levels the same from I got back that's the only thing really helps when I'm down, I even got myself a dip station very similar to the ones you see in Fort de nogent it's in my room I use that pretty much everyday and I cycle a lot as well haven't been running much but I was the last guy in my group running in the beep test (close to level 10).
Anyway when will I go back I don't know if my life keeps going the way it is I'm thinking christmas time(hence the whole covid sh$t) because I don't want to spend another Christmas here alone and I think that would better my chances, I'll keep you updated on that (I'll mail you a few days or so before I decide to go). I'll give a little bit off what to expect now for the guys on the forum and also my question although you already did answer that and I have basically made up my mind about it. I'll put it below so you can copy & paste.

Hello legionnaires and wa@nkers I'm here to tell you about the time I spent trying to join the Legion around two years ago. I'll explain as best as I can although my memory is not the best...
Anyway let's cut to the chase this time two years ago the sh$t hit the fan and I basically lost everything that meant anything to me (I'll not go into to much detail here and it doesn't really matter either so no need to question that.) I found out about the Legion from a friend maybe two years prior to this and feel in love with it so it was always sort off a plan b In the back off my mind.
I wish I had found out about it a lot earlier. Anyway I spent about 6 months getting myself prepared I didn't even *&^%$ once in that 6 months neither the time I was there(I have a very high sex drive so you can't really get more disciplined although it did get easier after about 2 wks try it no fap),

I done all my training by myself so I didn't even know how fit I was but I have never been so fit in all my life I was cycling around 10 miles chaining my Bike up and jogging/running in the forest for a further hour then cycling a further 10 miles back home around 4 times per wk. I could perform around 15 pull ups(proper slow form which didn't even matter because the guy counting them was counting ones that shouldn't have counted anyway not my argument and don't bet on that you might not get so lucky).
I learnt myself some basic French not much but could count to 20 I could say left, right etc just real basic sh$t (regret not learning more and you will to so learn it)

Anyway I book my flight to Paris i arrive I get on the train I think it was pretty straight forward but I did have to ask for some directions and I got to a pub about 10 minutes from fort de nogent just down the hill (I don't even drink but decided a beer would help build up some courage before I knock on the door(I was pretty f*cked from one beer it felt good lol).
I go to the door knock on it produce passport go into a room on the left hand side there's another guy there doesn't speak a word of English he's on the same boat we wait and then the legionnaire who took are passports brings us up the stairs to the main hall. Where your room will be it was coming up to bed time when we got in and everyone was getting ready to go into their rooms I done my pull ups and wrote down why I wanted to be here, I only had about 20 euro and had to spend it on sandals etc actually just had enough lucky enough I thought I was getting sent away at that point(bring your own sh$t). They bring me to my room and the lads help me out show me what to do etc I got the top bonk up beside the window could see the gate where new recruits come in; nice view also with my new name I'm not telling you it. ..

Just be nice to the people around you would be my opinion they are most likely very similar to you although you most likely will find some people who annoys you or who you don't like just like you do everywhere. Just bite your tongue stay away.
Anyway let's cut to the crap we do all the fitness testing beep tests, medicals etc I pass all them I did struggle a bit on the swimming(something I didn't prepare for but still passed).
so I was there for about a week then we get taken to aubange with plane clothed legionnaires, when we arrived in aubange we all got a camo hat (this was taken back off us about 3 days later maybe shortage or something) a water bottle and other toiletries also a camo backpack with a number you need to remember it. When if you do arrive in aubange from Paris its not much different just a lot bigger and there's a lot more people mainly Eastern European (you'll enjoy their celebration when they find out who got selected 😂not bad people).
You won't be doing doing much, just regular routine. A bell sounds every so often and you have to line up then people get chosen to go to work.. I got selected for work in the kitchen a few times, I had to run around picking up acorns in the bin Hahaha fun times, me and another 4 guys Hungarian, Brazil, Tunisia and Mexican got lucky enough to go to a hotel off some sort for a few days (I think it's where you go when you pass training for a few days rest or whatever. You probably think I'm lying now I never heard off it before myself, it was an ex lieutenant he was Italian and another guy I think he was Russian, they were good to us, Nice people.
We didn't have to do much there just cleaning really we were well fed to I didn't know whether it was to break us or if it was genuine work lol..

So we get back and just time for gestapo meeting.. I got it easy in fact in there compared to other guys who would tell different story's (I'm saying nothing) anyway seemed all OK although I did have a bit of debt problems which I regret telling them because they weren't really relevant (debt gets wiped clean after 5 years here in northern Ireland and it is illegal for them to chase you or go to your home). So that was everything and then comes selection..
About 50 off us have are backpacks laid out and start calling are names in-lining us with are backpacks on the left and right side.. I thought I'd had made it from looking at the guys on my side and I was still determined. Next came the sad news we were going home, all us giving the same piece of (indefinate) <correct me on this. And 600 odd euro I wasn't happy with the outcome but kept my mouth shut and didn't question it: didn't really have the option to...

So two years later and I still think about it everyday my question(s) is to you, do you think it's worth my while even trying to back? , will this still be on the system, what way could I go about it? Do you know anybody who was in a similar situation and went on to pass? Thanks guys looking forward to hearing back, goodluck and best wishes.

Regards,

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This from BM:

Hi Joe,



Thanks very much for taking the time to reply to me I really appreciate it and I know I'm very lucky to have received a response from you, I'm very sorry for the time I made you wait on the response I had a close freind pass away and havent been myself recently. I can't remember to the full extent what you wrote to me and there is noway to see it now whislt I'm replying, I think you said option 1 was tell them you don't understand what the paper said and I think that is just what I'm gonna do. In my mind I think I will go back and tell them that if they ask I just hope it works I don't think they realised how much I needed to be there the time I spent from I got back in my eyes was just alot more time wasted.. Although I have been keeping my fitness levels the same from I got back that's the only thing really helps when I'm down, I even got myself a dip station very simalar to the ones you see in Fort de nogent it's in my room I use that pretty much everyday and I cycle alot aswell haven't been running much but I was the last guy in my group running in the beep test (close to level 10). Anyway when will I go back I don't know if my life keeps going the way it is I'm thinking christmas time(hence the whole covid shit)because I don't want to spend another Christmas here alone and I think that would better my chances, I'll keep you updated on that (I'll mail you a few days or so before I decide to go). I'll give a little bit off what to expect now for the guys on the forum and also my question although you already did answer that and I have basically made up my mind about it. I'll put it below so you can copy & paste.





Hello legionnaires and wa@nkers I'm here to tell you about the time I spent trying to join the Legion around two years ago I'll explain as best as I can although my memory is not the best... Anyway let's cut to the chase this time two years ago the shit hit the fan and I basically lost everything that meant anything to me (I'll not go into to much detail here and it dosent really matter either so no need to question that.) I found out about the Legion from a freind maybe two years prior to this and feel in love with it so it was always sort off a plan b In the back off my mind I wish I had found out about it alot earlier. Anyway I spent about 6 months getting myself prepared I didn't even *&^%$ once in thst 6 months neither the time I was there(I have a very high sex drive so you can't really get more disciplined although it did get easier after about 2 wks try it no fap), I done all my training by myself so I didn't even know how fit I was but I have never been so fit in all my life I was cycling around 10miles chaining my Bike up and jogging/running in the forest for a further hour then cycling a further 10miles back home around 4 times per wk, I could perform around 15 pull ups(proper slow form which didn't even matter because the guy counting them was counting ones that shouldn't have counted anyway not my argument and don't bet on that you might not get so lucky). I learnt myself some basic French not much but could count to 20 I could say left, right etc just real basic shit (regret not learning more and you will to so learn it) . Anyway I book my flight to Paris i arrive I get on the train I think it was pretty straight forward but I did have to ask for some directions and I got to a pub about 10minutes from for de nogent just down the hill (I don't even drink but decided a beer would help build up some courage before I knock on the door(I was pretty fucked from one beer it felt good lol). I go to the door knock on it produce passport go into a room on the left hand side there's another guy there dosent speak a word off English he's on the same boat we wait and then the legionnaire who took are passports brings us up the stairs to the main hall where your room will be it was coming up to bed time when we got in and everyone was getting ready to go into there rooms I done my pull ups and wrote down why I wanted to be here I only had about 20 euro and had to spend it on sandals etc actually just had enough lucky enough I thought I was getting sent away at that point(bring your own shit). They bring me to my room and the lads help me out show me what to do etc I got the top bonk up beside the window could see the gate where new reqruits come in nice view also with my new name I'm not telling you it. .. Just be nice to the people around you would be my opinion they are most likely very similar to you although you most likely will find some people who annoys you or who you don't like just like you do everywhere, just bite your tongue stay away. Anyway let's cut to the crap we do all the fitness testing beep tests, medicals etc I pass all them I did struggle a bit on the swimming(something I didn't prepare for but still passed) so I was there for about a week then we get taken to aubange with plane clothed legionnaires, when we arrived in aubange we all got a camo hat (this was taken back off us about 3 days later maybe shortage or something) a water bottle and other toiletries also a camo backpack with a number you need to remember it. When if you do arrive in aubange from Paris its not much differnt just alot bigger and there's alot more people mainly Eastern European (you'll enjoy there celebration when they find out who got selected 😂not bad people) you won't be doing doing much just regular routine a bell sounds every so often and you have to line up then people get chosen to go to work.. I got selected for work in the kitchen a few times, I had to run around picking up acorns in the bin Hahaha fun times, me and another 4 guys Hungarian, Brazil, Tunisia and Mexican got lucky enough to go to a hotel off some sort for a few days (I think it's where you go when you pass training for a few days rest or whatever you probaly think I'm lying now I never heard off it before myself, it was an ex lieutenant he was Italian and another guy I think he was Russian, they were good to us nice people we didn't have to do much there just cleaning really we were well fed to I didn't know whether it was to break us or if it was genuine work lol.. So we get back and just time for gestapo meeting.. I got it easy in fact in there compared to other guys who would tell differnt story's (I'm saying nothing) anyway seemed all OK although I did have a bit off debt problems which I regret telling them because they wernt really relavent (debt gets whiped clean after 5 years here in northen Ireland and it is illegal for them to chase you or go to your home). So that was everything and then comes selection.. About 50 off us have are backpacks laid out and start calling are names in-lining us with are backpacks on the left and right side.. I thought I'd had made it from looking at the guys on my side and I was still determined next came the sad news we were going home, all us giving the same peice off (in definate) <correct me on this. And 600 odd euro I wasn't happy with the outcome but kept my mouth shut and didn't question it didn't really have the option to... So two years later and I still think about it everyday my question(s) is to you, do you think it's worth my while even trying to back? , will this still be on the system, what way could I go about it? Do you know anybody who was in a similar situation and went on to pass? Thanks guys looking forward to hearing back, goodluck and best wishes.



Regards,



Unknown
Hi BM, I haven't got time to edit your story right now, However, swear words are a big no-no on the forum. And the fact that you have given your story in the form of one big block, may make reading it difficult.
I'll see what I can do with it tomorrow.
 
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BM, or Unknown, whichever you prefer, don't they use punctuation in Northern Ireland? :oops: It kind of reminded me of an old tale about Mark Twain. His publisher asked him to put in some punctuation marks. MT wrote back with a , . ! ? ' " etc. and said "sprinkle to taste." :)
However in those days they did not have the Alt F7.

Saying that, I really do wish you the best of luck and hope that you'll keep in touch.
 

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Initial impressions: He (BM) got an Inapte definatif , not "indefinite". Which (I think) means our friend from Ulster now needs to write a letter (!?) to the COMLE, have that translated into English, and then into French.

Bonne Chance.
 
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translated into English, and then into French.
I don't think that they will worry too much over BM's English. BTW what makes you think the he's from Ulster?
You are correct in what you say, it is indefinite. But again that depends on the circumstances. Don't forget that it was two years ago.
He's actually got a couple of options, 1, he plays dumb and says that he didn't understand what was going on at the time and was so gutted that he just threw the paper away. 2, he put it down to his lack of physical prowess. 3, he could put it down to the fact that there were so many candidates, that the fact that he got indefinite was probably a test to see his motivation.
I haven't heard back from him since, so let's wait and see what he decides,

Either way, join me in wishing him good luck.
 

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I don't think that they will worry too much over BM's English. BTW what makes you think the he's from Ulster?
You are correct in what you say, it is indefinite. But again that depends on the circumstances. Don't forget that it was two years ago.
He's actually got a couple of options, 1, he plays dumb and says that he didn't understand what was going on at the time and was so gutted that he just threw the paper away. 2, he put it down to his lack of physical prowess. 3, he could put it down to the fact that there were so many candidates, that the fact that he got indefinite was probably a test to see his motivation.
I haven't heard back from him since, so let's wait and see what he decides,

Either way, join me in wishing him good luck.
Sorry Joe and BM; I was just, as, they say, taking the piss/mick. Of course, in truth, I wish him the best of luck.

As regards Ulster: AFAIK, Ulster is one of the four historical provinces of Ireland, whithin which all of present day Northern Ireland is located. I could definitely be wrong, though.
 
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Sorry Joe and BM; I was just, as, they say, taking the piss/mick. Of course, in truth, I wish him the best of luck.

As regards Ulster: AFAIK, Ulster is one of the four historical provinces of Ireland, whithin which all of present day Northern Ireland is located. I could definitely be wrong, though.
Without checking, I would say that you are correct. And that there are six counties in NI.
 
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Got this from BM:

Hi Joe,

Thanks will get a look at it, (
The Questions'!) Thread there's definitely something in the air I can tell you that much people are getting very lazy I've noticed it in work as well there's more to the covid situation I think.
 
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This from SC,

Firstly thank you for taking the time to post this.

1. I know the age limit is 39.5 but at do many people in their mid 30's get selected?

2. Does having served in the military & than as a PMC work in your favour or should you keep that to yourself in you interviews?

I’m 36(37 in February) served ten years in the British military and then moved into the PMC and maritime security industry which I worked until 2018. Since then I have drifted; lost touch with what friends and family I had and I am now to old to re enlist in the British military. I am fit and able bodied and would value your honest opinion on my chances of being considered.

Kind regards


No worries, mate,
As for your age, let's be honest it's going against you. However saying that there is an advantage if you can keep a low profile and get past the recruiters in Aubagne, the fact that you've got a few years experience in the army and PMC, will work in your favor.
The legion would be a pretty bad state if it was only young eastern blocks who are hoping for money and a passport, hence why the age limit is 39.5.
The only advice that I can give you is to go for it before it really is too late.
 
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This from SC,

Firstly thank you for taking the time to post this.

1. I know the age limit is 39.5 but at do many people in their mid 30's get selected?

2. Does having served in the military & than as a PMC work in your favour or should you keep that to yourself in you interviews?

I’m 36(37 in February) served ten years in the British military and then moved into the PMC and maritime security industry which I worked until 2018. Since then I have drifted; lost touch with what friends and family I had and I am now to old to re enlist in the British military. I am fit and able bodied and would value your honest opinion on my chances of being considered.

Kind regards


No worries, mate,
As for your age, let's be honest it's going against you. However saying that there is an advantage if you can keep a low profile and get past the recruiters in Aubagne, the fact that you've got a few years experience in the army and PMC, will work in your favor.
The legion would be a pretty bad state if it was only young eastern blocks who are hoping for money and a passport, hence why the age limit is 39.5.
The only advice that I can give you is to go for it before it really is too late.
I havnt heard of guys getting turned away because of age alone, so if you're under 39.5 yrs old then you qualify. I have heard of guys in their 30's getting in. They'll look at your entire history and take it all into consideration. Go soon though. In my opinion, the next two years will be good recruitment, it's all subjective though.

As far as older EV'S go...there's a memior by Alex Lochrie who served in the Legion. He joined at age 38. His age and different experiences and skills, worked in his favor. I think take stories like his and use them as examples of how you might present yourself and succeed. Start prepping and go soon.
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received this from SC:

Thank you for your reply to my questions. I have one more question if I may. I have looked on the website and I am trying to find the document to download and send to the Legion or is this no longer required. I know age is not on my side but I want to go within the next three months so want to get things moving.

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Hi SC,
for the moment the legion is not requiring people to fill in the document and and book an appointment. However, that could change again. It all depends on the development of the Covid.

If I may, I'll give you some advice? Learn French, I mean take a crash course, you have got enough on line courses for free. When I say a crash course I mean like studying it every day for a couple of hours in the morning and a couple in the afternoon.
Why when they will teach you French anyway? Because as it has been pointed out (and there's no point in harking on about it) that age is not on your side. You have to stack as many aces in your hand as possible. When you try and convince the recruiters that you you really want to join, and can only speak a bit of pigeon French, it's not going to go down well. Don't worry the interview will be in your native language. However, if you say that you've been learning French you will be tested.
Fitness, I'm not suggesting that you are in any way incapable of doing the entrance tests. But how will you compare to 20 yr olds who up until now have done nothing but work out in the gym?

Three months will bring you up to Christmas. I have my own theory on this. It is a personal theory without anything to base it on. We all know that in the legion Christmas is a go slow time, between getting the place ready for the evening of the 24th and the sketches and the creches and the bars, in brief, there is not much activity other than preparations for the big event.
Going after the New Year would give you chance to spend a bit of time with your family and friends.
I'd advice going a couple of weeks before Christmas. That way you show the recruiters that you have burned your bridges and when asked why you have chosen that particular time to join, you can then respond because you want the legion to be your family. I know it sounds corny, but remember you have to convince them that you are willing to stay for the full five years. Believe me when I tell you that they have heard it so many times before, only to see at the end of basic training how many people have decided that the legion wasn't for them.

To be quite honest the legion isn't for everyone. Nowadays they give you the opportunity to ask to go civilian after basic training. There is a lot of the legion's budget washed down the drain by these people. Not to mention the time and the fact that that person has taken the place of someone else. Which is why each and every recruit has to convince the recruiters that he is willing to stay for the full 5 years.
There is no point in trying, at the recruiting stage, to convince them that you are willing to do 10 or 15yrs, they'll have heard it all before. The same as everyone wants to be a para. Convince them that you are willing to stay for the big 5, is enough. What you do afterwards, is up to you as you'll have honored your part in the contract.
 
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This from SC,
Hi Joe,

Thanks again. I have decided to commit to joining the Legion and have a flight booked on the (
early) of December. Any advice will be well received.

That's the way to go, mate. I'll get back to you later.
 
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This from HudsonHawk in response to a mail that I sent her,

Thanks Joe,

I truly hope to hear from him soon. 8 weeks (by now) without knowing feels like an eternity. Fingers crossed!

Cheers,


One good thing is that she can be sure that her son is in. With the Covid thing going on I had told her that she should be hearing form her son within the next 2 weeks. Now that she has pointed out that it is been 8 weeks, I think that I may have overestimated the time. It would not surprise me if she hears from her son within a week, max. 2 weeks. Taking into account that he has gone through the selection and has started his training, he should be about coming to the beginning of the kepi march.

Once he has his kepi, he is a legionnaire (for the next 5 years more or less**) and will be allowed out on town over the weekend. On his first quartier libre*, it will be for an afternoon and an evening. After that, it is up to the discretion of his chef de section when he is allowed to telephone. Perhaps he'll be allowed to telephone on his first outing, again it all depends on his chef de section.

* literally- barracks free.
** This only counts for those who go to their regiment and does the full five years, without making a youtube channel:
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Hi Every I'm sorry I forgot to mention this, what with the forum practically dead at the moment,:cry: but I got word from HudsonHawk last Sunday, her son made through selection to Castel, he has even passed his first hurdle which is a main obstacle in the legion steeplechase, he's got his kepi !
So sorry about the late news.
It's not easy sharing good news with a couple of people. As for the Boss and the Webmaster, if they are two different people, I don't know. What I do know is that if they don't get a grip soon, then it'll be the end of Cervens.😭
 

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Hi Every I'm sorry I forgot to mention this, what with the forum practically dead at the moment,:cry: but I got word from HudsonHawk last Sunday, her son made through selection to Castel, he has even passed his first hurdle which is a main obstacle in the legion steeplechase, he's got his kepi !
So sorry about the late news.
It's not easy sharing good news with a couple of people. As for the Boss and the Webmaster, if they are two different people, I don't know. What I do know is that if they don't get a grip soon, then it'll be the end of Cervens.😭
That would suck. We could half-migrate over to Reddit, worst case scenario. It's a different system, and would take some learning on the part of some of the older members--- but, I've seen some WW2 vets active on Reddit, too. It could be done.

One of the best things on reddit is the AMA posts (ask me anything). A lot of knowledge gets passed down that way. I'd pay money to see any of the Greens (or other vets like USMCRET and Chas) here do an AMA post on reddit.

Of course, there's a different culture over there. A lot of the Greens there are recent or currently serving guys; they'll have a different view on their own service than guys who served in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's. "Distance makes the heart grow fonder", and "Familiarity breeds contempt". Put another way, Cervens is to the Legion as Leatherneck.com is to the USMC; whereas r/FrenchforeignLegion is like the Legion version of Terminal Lance.
 
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This today from HudsonHawk,

I haven't had a proper chat with my son yet so I know very little, but here's what I have heard so far:

First of all. Flying to France is extremely challenging even from a country that is on the list of approved countries. We have quite a few friends who have been trying to enter France either with no success or have been stuck in between for weeks due to cancelled flights. With no hope to ever receive their money back.
My son was 100% eligible to enter France but even still the airline company refused to give him boarding passes to connecting flights. Not even after having a long discussion with the manager. Only option was to fly to his first destination and see what happens. Luckily no issues after that.
Also he had quite a few last minute cancellations of flights. Meaning postponing and increasing prices. Two days prior the final flight France announced that covid tests need to be done. We had not noticed this so I do not know if the test results were checked at the destination or not.

So far only things I know about the selection process is that it took a week to get into rouge, and another week as rouge before selected so it sounds like a fairly quick process to me. He had received his kepi approximately four weeks later in Castel.
If I understood correctly, a bit more people might have gotten selected into rouge than usually but still more got rejected than selected. No anglophones at all, guys were from Europe, Nepal, Brazil, Russia... Those who were from countries not allowed to enter France during covid they already had been to Europe prior to pandemic a had their visas sorted earlier. So no other nationalities had recently arrived to France than those whose countries are on the approved list.

I'm hoping to hear more soon, so far it seems to be pretty much what he expected it to be.

It has to be remembered that her son has been in now for two months and that things have changed (not for the better) because of Covid. thanks so much for the update.
 
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This from V.

Can I pass French border if I tell police on airport in France that I came to join FFL and present them my negative Covid test (less than 72 hrs ) even if my country (Montenegro) is on EU ban list , so only citizens who have residence in Eu can enter or are working there , if someone knows an example that someone passed border like this pls tell it.
 
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