What is the path that someone must take to become a FFL sniper?

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If you are a shite shot in the légion, you will not be a tireur d ' élite. ..
Evry legionnaire has his carne de tir / shoot book
If you are a fair shot with a FAMAS or what ever they are using now and if your chef de section takes a shine to you (you will do your 6-8 week course and evry one passes)

This is the way it is

Just read your last post
How do you choose your bullet ?
The ones you are given
I think you are thinking. ..special forces, sniper 1 2 3 4 séries working on his own
Legion is a unit
Combat urbain, face to face or tracking in desert, usually
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1500 m?. ..ask the SML(section mortier lourd 120 mm (to bung à mortar)
Why give your and your units position away?
Wait till the fuquer gets closer or leads you to his lair
Or wait till he meets up with his cronies
The scope is used more for observation in the legion than for firing
For 1 dude. ..best to capture him alive and extract informations
 
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[QUOTE="Surfguy, post: 223837, member: 7131" if you disagree tell me how you`d take your long range shot starting with bullet choice and why you choose that particular bullet then how you`d prepare for the shot, lets say at 1500m .[/QUOTE]

I can talk all day long about brass concentricity, brass annealing, primer selection, type of powder, quantity of the powder, how to correctly trickler the powder and that would only be for the brass, let alone for the bullet type.

But guess what, all of that is pretty much useless for a "Sniper" in an Armed Force. They don't select the bullet they use, it is issued to them, in the best case they may had given some input on what they fell is necesary on the ammo. Depending on the country, they will either produce the ammo to the specs in their factories or release a requirement sheet to mfgs and see who can supply the ammo they need at the cheapest price.

An example can be a F1 Driver, they know how driver, they did learn how to drive. They don't do the science behind driving, let alone how every single part of the vehicle works. That´s why they have a whole team behind them. There are a lot of books about long range shooting, most of the info is not even known to some "snipers" yet they now how to use their weapons.
 

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Was there for a while PM me your email and I'll flick you my CV, we can compare notes. I just spent 3 years in Mali and hooked up with Esteve for a few cold ones and a few dinners
 

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[QUOTE="Surfguy, post: 223837, member: 7131" if you disagree tell me how you`d take your long range shot starting with bullet choice and why you choose that particular bullet then how you`d prepare for the shot, lets say at 1500m .
I can talk all day long about brass concentricity, brass annealing, primer selection, type of powder, quantity of the powder, how to correctly trickler the powder and that would only be for the brass, let alone for the bullet type.

But guess what, all of that is pretty much useless for a "Sniper" in an Armed Force. They don't select the bullet they use, it is issued to them, in the best case they may had given some input on what they fell is necesary on the ammo. Depending on the country, they will either produce the ammo to the specs in their factories or release a requirement sheet to mfgs and see who can supply the ammo they need at the cheapest price.

An example can be a F1 Driver, they know how driver, they did learn how to drive. They don't do the science behind driving, let alone how every single part of the vehicle works. That´s why they have a whole team behind them. There are a lot of books about long range shooting, most of the info is not even known to some "snipers" yet they now how to use their weapons.[/QUOTE]


From what I`ve been told first hand is that a lot of British forces sniper ammo is custom loaded to suit the situation, there are a couple of small UK companies who specialise in this.
I guess there are snipers and there are snipers.
 
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[QUOTE="Surfguy, post: 223964, member: 7131"
From what I`ve been told first hand is that a lot of British forces sniper ammo is custom loaded to suit the situation, there are a couple of small UK companies who specialise in this.
I guess there are snipers and there are snipers.[/QUOTE]
The ammo is custom made for them, but is not handloaded by the shooters. They sent a sheet with the specs the ammo must comply with
Read this article.

https://www.military1.com/products/...38310-us-army-looks-to-new-sniper-ammunition/

But of course this is about the US, i have no idea, what they do in the UK. Maybe they do handload their ammo for their special units.
 

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[QUOTE="Surfguy, post: 223964, member: 7131"
From what I`ve been told first hand is that a lot of British forces sniper ammo is custom loaded to suit the situation, there are a couple of small UK companies who specialise in this.
I guess there are snipers and there are snipers.
But of course this is about the US, i have no idea, what they do in the UK. Maybe they do handload their ammo for their special units.[/QUOTE]
Like I said there must snipers and there must be snipers ;)
 
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Like I said there must snipers and there must be snipers ;)[/QUOTE]

Well Mr Hathcock didn't have a lot of tech, or a lot of science behind his skills, other than training... I doubt that he was issued handloads in Vietnam... Yet he holds an impressive record.
 

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Snipers use green spot ammo, google is your friend, I'm an ex FFL sniper and an ex UK ammo tech so I reckon I know what I'm talking about.
 

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[QUOTE="Surfguy, post: 223966, member: 7131"
Like I said there must snipers and there must be snipers ;)
Well Mr Hathcock didn't have a lot of tech, or a lot of science behind his skills, other than training... I doubt that he was issued handloads in Vietnam... Yet he holds an impressive record.[/QUOTE]
I think Hathcocks skills lay in many areas , obviously an excellent shot and fully understood where a bullet was going but his main attribute as a sniper was having the balls to go into areas where few dared and he obviously had excellent field skills.
I`m working towards becoming a firearms / ballistics expert with a view becoming an expert witness in court cases , I`m also fully aware this does not make me a sniper.
 

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Well Mr Hathcock didn't have a lot of tech, or a lot of science behind his skills, other than training... I doubt that he was issued handloads in Vietnam... Yet he holds an impressive record.
I think Hathcocks skills lay in many areas , obviously an excellent shot and fully understood where a bullet was going but his main attribute as a sniper was having the balls to go into areas where few dared and he obviously had excellent field skills.
I`m working towards becoming a firearms / ballistics expert with a view becoming an expert witness in court cases , I`m also fully aware this does not make me a sniper.[/QUOTE]
At last Surfguy hit it on the head. You can be a great shot, maybe represent you country in the oympics or other shooting challenge.
To be a sniper you have to know how to get where you are going. You have to kill the person or persons. You have to then get out without being captured. And then give a full report, not only of the kill, but the security, the force of men, the type of weapons etc.
 
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Is why lots of orientation, idetintifaction, camouflage is taught during a Legion's tireur d'élite course
We have,the 12.7 only since 93 (Barrette)
 

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We had a guy at my local shooting range when I still did some sports shooting, he was the ultimate range warrior, always buying the latest and greatest kit and tacticool gear. Trijicon scopes, custom triggers and barrels, custom porting and all kinds of lasers and crap. (That was his AR). This guy's pistol was something Robocop would have used, it was a STI, which costs more than a small car, with red dots and all manner of attachments. Ammo, with this guy forget surplus or reloads, brand spanking new black hills or Remington. He was always trying new stances and grips, must've thought he was a James Bond/John Wick wannabe.

Needless to say he was the shittest shot I have met in my life, I think the best he ever did was 2nd from last out a group of 10. Silhouette target used to look like a cheese grater.

Anyways point I'm trying to make, this guy had the best kit available and it didn't help him at all. Most of us were using factory LM5s which is a civilian version of the R5 carbine and Z88s (Beretta 92 copy), and we all did better than him. He couldnt do the basics and would not listen to any advice "because Guns Digest" said so. Shooting is all about the basics and without that you'll always be a crap shot.
 

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